Clan Victory

Hello guys,

i keep seeing lots of comments from you about server lags etc (by you i mean mostly Suzy ). Honestly it's not lagging for me at all and in my opinion the issue with your lags is somewhere on route to the server (your ISP).

Anyways the server renewal is coming soon (thanks again to Kaska and Xtos for the latest one and all the previous ones) and we have the opportunity to switch it for a cheaper one but more important for a different located one.

I have an account in digitalocean where is the 1.32 server running already and they offer few locations for your server in their datacenters where you can place your server and also move it between them without reinstall. I am not sure where exactly is our current server placed (office, house, basement?) but these are big datacenters with lots of direct traffic and placed directly in the network "nodes" (basically they are the nodes themself so there is 99% chance that your ISP is directly connected to them and they are directly connected between each other) like Frankfurt for an example so there is just no better place for a server to be.

I have prepared a pool for you so i would like to know your opinion because its also your future
You may choose 3 options and we could probably pick the one with most votes?

Anyways go ahead and place your vote.

Some summary

Current V1
Pros: hmm
Cons: you know them better than i do.

Digital ocean:
5 dollars per month
3 different location
placed directly in big datacenters (network nodes)
full control of Operating system (root)
unlimited slots
Unlimited servers (maybe not unlimited but we could definitely run atleast 5 instances of q3 in the same time )

Looking forward for your votes.

Cheers

I am also thinking about to start 1.16 on my Frankfurt server for you to test the ping etc.
Or you can fire up your 1.32 instance and connect to RA server to test the ping.

Frankfurt is the best choise imo, the only shitty thing is the ip would change im not sure how many people follow the forum, so maybe we could add an info display in the console..

I don't think IP will be the issue here.
As soon as they won't be able to connect, they will check the site and find new IP.
OFC there will be a big banner or something about the IP change. They don't need to visit forum to get it.

fl4k wrote:
Frankfurt is the best choise imo ...


I think the Netherlands is the best central placed option , as europe's most internet traffic is mostly routed over the Amsterdam Internet Exchange.

Placing a gameserver there would be a great benefit. Also i think is more central for the players i see playing on the V server , from UK to Denmark to Poland to Spain and everything surrounding it and in between.

What is the reason you pick DE as best pick for everybody?
(not that DE is bad , would be my second pick) , just curious.

Also a BIG banner is good on the current V server , the moment we picked new IP , in order to promote it while the new IP is already up. Maby even make it impossible to join the game , just so that people READ the info that we have a new IP and that the old one is going down soon.

is that gonna effect our pings? i always get diff pings in diff servers...

Frankfurt 1.16 or maybe try freeze on 1.32 with OSP mod?

What is the reason you pick DE as best pick for everybody?

I just see De as the more central option, we have also players from turkey, slovakia, serbia, italy....But also with netherlands i would be happy if people would vote for it...

clemence wrote:is that gonna effect our pings? i always get diff pings in diff servers...

yes because diff servers have diff locations. that's why you are getting different ping.
Depends on what is the distance between you and the server.

What is the reason you pick DE as best pick for everybody?
(not that DE is bad , would be my second pick) , just curious.

Amsterdam is better choice when we compare it with UK. But if you check the map and realize that we have players from spain, poland, italy croatia the Amsterdam is not such big improvement for them. I would say Frankfurt is more centralized.

I think the Netherlands is the best central placed option , as europe's most internet traffic is mostly routed over the Amsterdam Internet Exchange.

I would say Frankfurt is more central as i stated above. And yes most internet traffic goes through Amsterdam but only because it is the main connection to UK island.

YeLLoW wrote: I would say Frankfurt is more central as i stated above. And yes most internet traffic goes through Amsterdam but only because it is the main connection to UK island.

Ok i see ur logic, but its not helping if people are routed trough Amsterdam to end up in Frankfurt..
If the routing is NOT over Amsterdam then ofc Frankfurt is the best option!

The only way to visually find out, is if people do a tracert to see if they got routed over Amsterdam or not...

ill start with mine, hope the rest will also post a trace to the current Frankfurt server IP:

\Stupidcat>tracert 46.101.165.123

Bezig met het traceren van de route naar 46.101.165.123 via maximaal 30 hops

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 7 ms 6 ms 5 ms 10.15.53.129
3 7 ms 6 ms 5 ms 212.142.62.53
4 * * * Time-out bij opdracht.
5 7 ms 8 ms 7 ms nl-ams04a-ri2-ae11-0.aorta.net [84.116.134.69]
6 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms ae-6.r25.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net [80.249.208.36]
7 17 ms 15 ms 15 ms ae-1.r20.frnkge04.de.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.178]
8 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms ae-2.r02.frnkge03.de.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.218]
9 15 ms 16 ms 17 ms 212.119.27.222
10 20 ms 17 ms 16 ms 5.101.109.23
11 17 ms 17 ms 15 ms 46.101.165.123

De trace is voltooid.

11 hops total for me , including 2 via Amsterdam to Frankfurt

stupidcat wrote:but its not helping if people are routed trough Amsterdam to end up in Frankfurt..

its always the shortest possible way from your country's main node (for you its Amsterdam) to the main node of neighbor country etc. Which is for you Frankfurt. As you can see from you to your ISP its 6ms, from there to Amsterdam main node is 1-2 ms (7-8ms between you and Amsterdam) and then from Amsterdam to Frankfurt its 8ms (16ms between you and Frank.) Your last 5 hopes are within datacenter so you can ignore them.

Ppl from Poland could go directly Warszawa > Frankfurt or maybe Warszawa > Berlin > Frankfurt. But who knows. Sometimes there is no direct connection. As for me i am from Bratislava but we are connected to Frankfurt directly. As you can see i am not going through czech republics node.

Networking is complicated

Tracing route to 46.101.165.123 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms BELKIN [192.168.1.1]
2 3 ms 6 ms 3 ms dynamic.orange.sk [78.141.96.1]
3 <1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.102.17
4 2 ms <1 ms 2 ms teng-2-2.skbra.gtsce.net [62.168.110.189]
5 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms fra1-edge1.digitalocean.com [80.81.193.141]
6 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms 5.101.109.27
7 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms 46.101.165.123

Trace complete.

7 for me.

would be intressting to see the trace route of suzy and people from uk, for me i can say i would be happy, just 14 ms and 8 hops

So, well, yeah, Frankfurt must be the right choice, not only for the server offering options as the main advantage of beeing "more central" for most of the players current playing. But, most of the players dont play as often and long as some of us play, who sometimes spend hours connected to the server. For those and i mean Savage, Inferno (Cris) and Star and Me,Myself&Mal and some few others who live a bit far from Frankfurt location, will for sure notice some increase of effort in general gameplay mode. Stated as followed:

tracert 46.101.165.123

Tracing route to 46.101.165.123 over a maximum of 30 hops

5 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms ix-xe-0-3-2-0.tcore2.PV9-Lisbon.as6453.net [80.2
31.159.69]
6 57 ms 57 ms 57 ms if-ae-7-2.tcore2.WV6-Madrid.as6453.net [80.231.1
59.30]
7 56 ms 56 ms 57 ms if-ae-11-2.tcore1.WV6-Madrid.as6453.net [80.231.
91.65]
8 * 58 ms 55 ms if-ae-5-2.tcore2.WYN-Marseille.as6453.net [80.23
1.200.5]
9 59 ms 55 ms 56 ms if-ae-7-2.tcore2.FNM-Frankfurt.as6453.net [80.23
1.200.78]
10 55 ms 56 ms 62 ms if-ae-4-2.tcore1.FR0-Frankfurt.as6453.net [195.2
19.87.18]
11 56 ms 56 ms 56 ms 195.219.50.218
12 55 ms 55 ms 56 ms 5.101.109.25
13 57 ms 57 ms 56 ms 46.101.165.123


Current server location:

tracert 213.230.217.206

Tracing route to 213.230.217.206 over a maximum of 30 hops

5 13 ms 9 ms 8 ms te0-7-0-3.rcr21.opo01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.
32.29]
6 24 ms 22 ms 24 ms be2392.ccr21.bio02.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1
.217]
7 36 ms 34 ms 34 ms be2475.ccr41.par01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.4
8.182]
8 42 ms 42 ms 42 ms be12497.ccr41.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5
6.129]
9 44 ms 44 ms 45 ms be2791.ccr21.lon02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.56
.78]
10 42 ms 44 ms 42 ms 149.6.148.210
11 100 ms 211 ms 202 ms 103.rt0.the.netcalibre.net [213.230.195.1]
12 42 ms 42 ms 43 ms 213.230.217.206

Connected to game in both servers for 5 mins, pings varied as follow:

51 min and 69 max on 46.101.165.123
37 min and 48 max current server

But, personaly speaking, for someone who rarely had complaint about pings and lags and general server issues, im there and here still for the past and present memmories, for players who draw my old affection (im not mentioning names, you know who am i talking to...)and for above all having a fun time far from daily stress and keep the reflexes up to date.
Whatever may come there's nothing i dont get used to from a long time back now, after 17 years of and on this game. Just keep it alive, wherever might be, else i will put my old server up, even if it is for lonely personal satisfaction of abusing from bots with chasing rockets and fireing 999 nades in 10 secs on a testbox map like, for fun crashing server like the old days.

Cheers

YeLLoW wrote: As for me i am from Bratislava but we are connected to Frankfurt directly. As you can see i am not going through czech republics node.

Ah thats why u want Frankfurt!

nah okay 10 votes total , i dont think many more will vote or post traces , so i guess it will be Frankfurt.
I suppose the current V2 server(ip) will stay up then?

U might wanna start putting that banner up on the (old) server then , and perhaps like mentioned before: blocking people to be able to enter the match/red/blue team so they will be forced to read the banner and connect to the new IP

@Mal i don't think a bit increased ping will make any difference when the delag is on. The more important thing as ping/numbers is the overall feel from the server. Smoothness etc. Your ping is compensated anyways.

@Cat i am pretty happy even with current server I have never issues with lags nor ping. So basically i would not do this for myself

Firstly i would like to know the opinions. The feel is most important here. But i will post the banner so ppl go and try it. I was pretty happy to see you guys there tonight and getting feedback.

Later we can also try moving the server to Amsterdam and try it from there. I am open to all options

can you add to v2 to gametracker.com so i can see if there are ppl online?
i tried to add it , but it says cant (firewall?) or so..

here you go

http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/ ... 123:27961/

When will V1 be closed (not renewed) ?

Its up to Kaska whos the owner of it, currently it looks like he want to keep it.

Yo kids

Here is my tracert with the time-out thing !!!

Microsoft Windows [version 6.1.7600]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. Alle rettigheder forbeholdes.

C:\Users\suzy>tracert 46.101.165.123

Rute spores til 46.101.165.123 over et maksimum af 30 hop

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 14 ms 12 ms 11 ms 10.116.1.1
3 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms ae10-100.vannqe11.dk.ip.tdc.net [176.22.62.4]
4 7 ms 7 ms 10 ms ae0-0.alb2nqp7.dk.ip.tdc.net [83.88.21.81]
5 8 ms 10 ms 9 ms peer-as1299.alb2nqp7.dk.ip.tdc.net [195.215.109.
2]
6 9 ms 9 ms 7 ms kbn-bb4-link.telia.net [62.115.142.208]
7 26 ms 24 ms 24 ms hbg-bb4-link.telia.net [213.155.135.120]
8 32 ms 31 ms 31 ms ffm-bb3-link.telia.net [62.115.115.65]
9 31 ms 31 ms 33 ms ffm-b2-link.telia.net [213.155.132.207]
10 32 ms 31 ms 31 ms digitalocean-ic-310409-ffm-b2.c.telia.net [213.2
48.103.26]
11 * * * Anmodning fik timeout.
12 33 ms 32 ms 31 ms 46.101.165.123

Sporing fuldført.

C:\Users\suzy>tracert 46.101.165.123

Rute spores til 46.101.165.123 over et maksimum af 30 hop

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 18 ms 11 ms 10 ms 10.116.1.1
3 9 ms 8 ms 7 ms ae10-100.vannqe11.dk.ip.tdc.net [176.22.62.4]
4 8 ms 41 ms 7 ms ae0-0.alb2nqp7.dk.ip.tdc.net [83.88.21.81]
5 8 ms 10 ms 9 ms peer-as1299.alb2nqp7.dk.ip.tdc.net [195.215.109.
2]
6 9 ms 9 ms 7 ms kbn-bb4-link.telia.net [62.115.142.208]
7 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms hbg-bb4-link.telia.net [213.155.135.120]
8 33 ms 30 ms 34 ms ffm-bb3-link.telia.net [62.115.115.65]
9 32 ms 31 ms 31 ms ffm-b2-link.telia.net [213.155.132.207]
10 32 ms 31 ms 31 ms digitalocean-ic-310409-ffm-b2.c.telia.net [213.2
48.103.26]
11 * * * Anmodning fik timeout.
12 31 ms 32 ms 31 ms 46.101.165.123

Sporing fuldført.

?????

timeout doesnt mean error. Its just that gateway is not pingable (blocked by firewall)
Thats why i said tracert will tell me shit. It just pings 1x all gateways in the route.
It does not show me if you are loosing packets or any usefull stuff.

Use fraps or your cell phone to record real gameplay issues. That would be most helpful. Maybe with an timestamp where did you experience the lag.

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